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  1. § Arul Prasad said on :
    Well, I guess this is an old issue that you are talking about.

    And the solution to this as I know is to use the DOM as mentioned, and write the Object tag and its contents into the document using Javascript document.write

    Am sure there was a technote that was published for this.
  2. § Richard Leggett® Email said on :
    Yeah I thought I'd read this before, and that the issue was deferred. But I noticed the date on the article linked to above, Feb 28th 2006.
  3. § Arul Prasad said on :
    hey,

    tats an interesting observation. Has something changed ?
  4. § Paul Neave said on :
    Use FlashObject and you'll never have any trouble ever again ever.
  5. § Richard Leggett® Email said on :
    Hi Paul,

    I'm familiar with this one, very good indeed. :) I guess there will be people that don't want to use that as they'd like Google to see their SWF and attempt to index it, but we can't have our cake and eat it hey!
  6. § spender said on :
    has anyone actually tried working through the workarounds on this page:

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/activating_activex.asp

    I've tried all the methods presented except the DOM manipulation, and all of them seem to require the extra click. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the DOM manip will break the cc&mesh's FlashJavaScriptIntegration kit, which is important to me.

    This is the second IE6 mod that has changed things (mandatory status bar in SP2 had a nasty effect to some of our flash presentations due to reduced space for content)
  7. § spender said on :
    Paul Neave,

    Have you actually tried this and got it to work? (neave.com rox btw)
  8. § spender said on :

    ---go.js---

    setTimeout("doit()",5000);
    function doit()
    {
    var myObject = document.createElement('embed');
    tester.appendChild(myObject);
    myObject.width = "200";
    myObject.height = "100";
    myObject.src = "test.swf";
    }


    Have I misunderstood what MS is saying. Is there *any* way to turn this off?????
  9. § spender said on :
    Adobomedia can't get this to work. Their web page describing the issue:

    http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent/

    instantiates the famous menu as an inline script in the body of the document using the following script tag:

    <
    script type="text/javascript"
    language="JavaScript"
    src="/jsdw/ubi/globalnav/en_us/flash.iota"
    >

    where the contents of this .iota file is :


    if(do_dw_var){
    document.writeln('<div id="globalnav">');
    document.writeln(' <object id="globalnav-object" classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,0,0" width="756" height="134">');
    document.writeln(' <param name="movie" value="/swf/globalnav/globalnav_en_us.swf?fpReqMinor=79" />');
    document.writeln(' <param name="FlashVars" value="loc=en_US&htmlApp=false&gatewayURL=gwurl" />');
    document.writeln(' <param name="bgcolor" value="#ffffff" />');
    document.writeln(' <param name="menu" value="false" />');
    document.writeln(' <param name="quality" value="high" />');
    document.writeln(' <param name="salign" value="tl" />');
    document.writeln(' <param name="scale" value="noscale" />');
    document.writeln(' <embed id="globalnav-embed" src="/swf/globalnav/globalnav_en_us.swf?fpReqMinor=79" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" flashvars="loc=en_US&htmlApp=false&gatewayURL=gwurl" bgcolor="#ffffff" menu="false" quality="high" salign="tl" scale="noscale" width="756" height="134"></embed>');
    document.writeln(' </object>');
    document.writeln('</div>');
    }


    [I hope the tags above escape properly!]

    My understanding is that this is the Microsoft mandated workaround as described in:

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/activating_activex.asp

    Yet, even on this page, I still have the "click to activate and use this control".

    To be clear on this:

    This morning I installed
    "Update for Windows XP (KB912945)"

    I have tried all the workarounds suggested by Microsoft. None of them work. Adobe's own page on the issue does not work around it. As far as I can tell from spending about 4 hours on this, there is simply no workaround. Can anybody verify this???
  10. § cosmin said on :
    Yeah.
    Use FlashObject.
    And for Google put inside the "noflash" alternate text of FlashObject the content that you want indexed. All the content. In html format. Like a minisite.
  11. § Richard Leggett® Email said on :
    Spender, does FlashObject not work?
  12. § spender said on :
    According to the FlashObject site the site below uses flashobject, right?

    http://www.slideshowpro.net/demo/demo_default.php#id=nature&num=1

    The "click to activate and use this control" is still there.

    I'm thinking perhaps there is a new locked down version of this "hotfix" which it is not possible to work around.

    My advice is avoid KB912945 and make sure your clients do as well. It breaks the web.

    I've sent a comment up to MSDN about this, but I'm not holding much hope for a coherent reply.
  13. § spender said on :
    going to try a reboot. :)
  14. § spender said on :
    Still broken. :(
  15. § Mike said on :
    Hello,

    Been running with the MS patch for a few weeks now. If you doc.write the object and embed tags, Flash behaves as before. Only exception is when you have the Microsoft Script Debugger installed and running, in which case you have to click the SWF in order to activate it, even with doc.write.

    Hope this helps!
    Mike
  16. § Richard Leggett® Email said on :
    Great to hear Mike, thanks for the info.
  17. § Derek Vadneau said on :
    To Mike's point, a quote from the MS page:
    [quote]
    Warning If you uncheck the Disable Script Debugging (Internet Explorer) option in the Advanced Tab of the Internet Options Control Panel, controls created using these techniques will still require activation.
    [/quote]
  18. § Federico said on :
    just found that http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/
    Unobtrusive Flash Objects (UFO) v3.0
    works great!

    tryed with the new "patch" from Ms installed...
  19. § Corby SImpson said on :
    I wonder if the "patch" will be a mandatory part of IE7? I think right now has the patch is recommended, but optional?
  20. § spender said on :
    Bloody smallprint.

    I should RTFM!

    Haven't checked yet, but I'm certain that "Disable Script Debugging" was the cause of my woes.

    [dons dunces cap and wanders off to stand in the corner]
  21. § erikbianchi said on :
    and yet another reason why the world should switch to Firefox. =)

    -erik
  22. § Geoff said on :
    Just to set the record straight: any javascript technique should cause your controls to *not* need to be activated. FlashObject, UFO, the Macromedia detection kit (the one that uses javascript to embed the flash) etc.

    There is one quirk with the MS update, and that is you must have 'Disable Script Debugging' checked, or you will still need to activate your controls no matter how you embed them.

    I've been tracking the issue and have been updating this page:
    http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/12/15/internet-explorer-eolas-changes-and-the-flash-plugin/
  23. § Jim M said on :
    I now finally understand why people think the UFO, or any other JavaScript enabling Flash implementation fixes the issue. It onyl occurs when you change your settings in IE.

    That means this is not a valid soltion. By default IE has the Script Debuggers disabled, meaning for the common user (not web developers) the solution fixes nothing.

    The most annoying part of this patch, I think, are the inconsitancies of the patch. Different people at my company get different results from this patch. For instance, I do not get prompted to enable instances of sIFR whereas most others at my company seem to.
  24. § Flabbygums said on :
    Can anyone tell me where i can download the patch?? I've checked all over MS Download Center and cannot find a link in any of their articles about this stupid change. Is this really an "optional" update to SP2/IE or would people w/ automatic updates get the patch?
  25. § Geoff said on :
    That means this is not a valid soltion. By default IE has the Script Debuggers disabled, meaning for the common user (not web developers) the solution fixes nothing.

    It's only when script debugging is enabled (the checkbox is checked) that you still need to activate the controls. By default deubgging is off, which means most users will not need to activate your flash content if you use javascript to embed it.

    Also, if you look at the microsoft KB article on the subject, you'll notice that they have the script debugging issue listed as a bug and that they are working on it. So future versions of the update should behave as planned.

    Here's another link to my post on the subject, it has all the info you need.
  26. § Flabbygums said on :
    Sorry to be a nag, but how are you people getting the patch?? I cannot find it.
  27. § greg said on :
    To flabbygums,

    Seems to only be available through Windows Update as an Optional download.

    Greg

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